9 thoughts on “Islam…a religion of peace??

  1. Why don’t you read the all the verses?and only a fraction of the cut 🙂

    Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors…Holy Quran 2:190*191*192*193.

    • The list here left out Sura 4:34 on wife beating. This idea is grossly absurd.
      Or the idea that women are less than men, as noted here:

      “Husbands are a degree above their wives.”

      The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

      . . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

      Gender inequality shows up in a theological context. This hadith shows that the majority of the inhabitants of hell are women.

      The Prophet said, “I looked at Paradise and found poor people forming the majority of its inhabitants; and I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women.” 

    • Context! Context! Context! Which I do agree with you, in this respect; however, the radical Imams are teaching their students to, in essence, take the war to the infidels and take their heads off. Also, with respect to al Taqíyya (if correctly spelled) permits the believer in Allah to lie to the infidel in order to promote Allah’s agenda.

      So, are the moderate Muslims considered nonbelievers? Just as many Christians of one faith believe that a Christian of another faith is a heretic? I would think so, which would mean that the more radical & devout believers can lie to them in order to get them on the right track…in their belief.

      • Funny, you did not answer my question.

        However, considering the fact that Islam is a religious, political, judicial, and militaristic system (all encompassing) it is rather obvious who desires to do what. Also, you skipped over the deceitful ideology of al Taqíyya. And what of the Muslim use of boys for pedistry where the Qúran blatantly forbids homosexual encounters, hmmmmmmm… Vlad III (the Impaler) was held captive by a sultan until his escape from pedistry and used all the torturous techniques learned from his captors against them.

    • My heart and soul rest upon the blood of Jesus the Christ. There are some who say that Jesus was a prophet of Allah; however, if you take what Mohammad and Jesus taught…they are diametrically opposed. Thus meaning that Jesus in the eyes of any believer of Allah would be a heretic and guilty of blaspheme. Jesus forgives, Allah no so readily or easily; Jesus permits liberty of choice, Allah does not like the choices people make and therefor yields but one choice. And if you do not make the right choice you will be forced to pay tribute (overbearingly I might add) and take a second class position.

      By the grace of God through Jesus’ blood I will reside in the heavenly. In Jesus, even YOU are not a second class citizen…but an equal partner in the family of God. I pray for you and all those who do not believe in Jesus, the Son of the Most High God, YAHWEH. (Who is also known by many other names who provides all we need.)

      • I believe that both Christians and Muslims believe that Jesus, the son of Marry (peace be upon them) is the messiah. We both agree that Jesus was a man and a prophet but we disagree about if Jesus was God.

        Why do I, as a Muslim, believe that Jesus was not God at all? Well, here are some reasons:

        1- Jesus never said explicitly “I am God”

        God is so clear in the whole Bible especially when it comes to a matter of his unity and oneness. It is not open to various interpretations. No two can disagree about the monotheism of God in the Bible.

        For example,
        Deut 4:35 “You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.”
        1King 8:60 “so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.”
        Isaiah 45: 6 “so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am the LORD, and there is no other.”

        When a teacher of Law came to Jesus (Mark 12) debating with him and asking him about the most important commandment, and guess what? Jesus said ,”The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” then that man replied “Well said, teacher, You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.” Jesus replied “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

        If Jesus was God, he should have told that man, “I am God”, “Worship me!” “I am the second person in Trinity”, “I am God in flesh” “I am God man” , etc. He would have told this in every moment he lived in the Earth, instead of some statements which have many possible meanings, like “I and Father are one” but he also said “that all of them may be one,” He said “my father is greater than I”, “Father is greater than all”, etc.

        John 17:3 “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”

        2- God is not a man. Jesus is a man. God is not Jesus.

        Jesus was born like a man, circumcised like a man, walked like a man, and looked like a man. He said, I am a man who heard of God (John 8:40). Yes he performed miracles which all prophets similarly performed, but that’s his limit. Yes Jesus was created without a father as Adam was created without a father nor a mother.

        Number 23:19 “God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?”

        God doesn’t starve, eat, drink, sleep, die. Jesus, on the other hand, does all these things.

        In the gospels, Jesus was hungry he by chance found a fig tree. He went there to have some but, unfortunately it was not the season of fig! Could you imagine that the creator of heavens and earth gets hungry and doesn’t know the season of fig which a little farmer boy can tell?! God who knows every tree leaf when it will fall is not Jesus who was a prophet of God

        3- Apostles and people did not considered Jesus as God

        If you read the gospels, “a great prophet arises” “I think you are a prophet” “I think he is a prophet” people around Jesus said that when he performed miracles and nobody thought of him as God.

        Peter said in acts 2:22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.”

        4- Trinity is illogical

        Believing that Father, Son, Holy Spirit one God and yet each one is one God is not logical. Some Christians admit it is not logical. Rather they believe it is only Biblical but that’s not true. It is neither logical not Biblical.

        5- Creed of Nicaea and evolution of Jesus divinity

        History is written by victorious. Trinitarians were not Orthodox until 325 AD. Holy Ghost was added in 381 AD. If you read history carefully, you will see how man-made this creed was, e.g. Subordinationism

        6- The Quran is the word of God.

        As a Muslim who believes in the Quran, it clearly stated that Jesus was a great prophet but not more than this

        [5:72-76] They have certainly disbelieved who say, ” Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. They have certainly disbelieved who say, ” Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. Say, “Do you worship besides Allah that which holds for you no [power of] harm or benefit while it is Allah who is the Hearing, the Knowing?”

        [5:116-120] And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me – to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. If You should punish them – indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them – indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. Allah will say, “This is the Day when the truthful will benefit from their truthfulness.” For them are gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever, Allah being pleased with them, and they with Him. That is the great attainment. To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is within them. And He is over all things competent.

      • In Genesis chapters 1 & 11 God said “…let us…” indicating and inferring more than one part of God. Luke and Matthew speak of the Father (God), the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit (that part of God which is used to inspire and dwell within mankind); thus, the Trinity. There being numerous copies (upwards of twenty thousands) of the Biblical text which verified the signature originals, which were being quoted as late as the 5th-6th centuries. Because of the numerous copies we can legitimately determine what was written within the signature copies. Of course the epistles which in various forms maintain these truths, and they were not used to Jesus to anyone, they were letters from believers in Jesus to believers in Jesus.

        You verify my point by quoting those scripture, not all-inclusive, of the oneness of God.

        Jesus does say who he was time and again. He equated and likened himself to God by calling Him “Abba Father” an informal yet very familiar term likening himself as God’s Son. He had taken the title of, “the Son of Man” depicted in the book of Daniel. There are many other occurrences throughout. And you fail to grasp the prophecies concerning Jesus within the text of the Old Testament: The promises of God to Abraham, the prophecies to Isaiah and Daniel, let us not forget the multitude of prophecies through the Minor Prophets.

        You say God is not man, you are right (only partly) because God Himself is Spirit; however, God walked in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3). And Jesus was there in the Garden with the Father (“before Abraham was born, I am!” (Gen 8:58) Although, do you not limit the power of God by saying He cannot or has not done something? Especially, considering the fact that God is All powerful, All knowing, and All present.

        Jesus came as the final sacrifice for mankind’s sins! Simply put. He did come to face temptation & conquer it, face starvation & conquer his body, to face death & to conquer the grave. He suffered for me, for you, for my friends, and my enemies (perceived and real) that they may be saved unto the Father and brought to heaven after the final judgment.

        You asked, “Could you imagine that the creator of heavens and earth gets hungry and doesn’t know the season of fig which a little farmer boy can tell?” Quite frankly, yes I could! God came to walk in the flesh to be tempted, to feel the heat, the hunger, etc. to believe that an ALL-POWERFUL God could not do such a thing is severely limiting the power of the Heavenly Creator of all things. A God that humbled Himself enough to be like me…that is a humbling and powerful thought!
        You have not taken the Gospel writings in their totality, you inferred my being ingenuous by not copying the entire text of the Quran in an earlier post…I must call you on this one. All four of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John) each indicates that “Jesus was the Messiah, the Son of God,” which was spoken by Peter, the Apostle.

        Your use of Peter’s statement in Acts 2:22, was in-fact a testimony against the Jewish People and the Temple Leadership who had Jesus put to death. There was much withheld from the Apostles until after the crucifixion until the Day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit (or helper) was placed upon them and many others.

        How is it that you a person of faith are able to limit the power of God?

        While I agree with you that the history is generally written, or re-written, by the victorious; however, you cannot abridge, re-edit, or rewrite something that has already been written and sent out. That equates to sending an email to your entire address book of 10-20 thousand people and then attempting to track each email down and re-edit them. That, my friend, is doctrine. Many upon many churches teach their congregants that they should follow the church doctrine, because that is where the changes lie. I was raised in a certain religion where the Priest blatantly stated that, “you are too stupid to understand the bible, do not read the bible, I will teach you the bible.” God is both a loving God and a God of judgment. AND He is a God of reason, because He wants us to love Him: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ ~ Matt 22:37

        Jesus had numerous miracles throughout His ministry (physical, mental, spiritual, and menial) the first being the changing of water to wine. However, the only miracle attributed to Mohammad was the writing of the Quran. A person who wrote a book versus a man of many miraculous signs. I will place my salvation and faith in the Son of God who conquered the grave by leaving it through the immovable stone, which was sealed. I will place my faith in the one who ascended to heaven in the sight of others and who were willing to die for those beliefs. A faith which is forced upon you and threatening death if you leave it is not a faith but a regime. Our history as the human race is painted with all too many of them!

        Godspeed my friend!

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