Einstein never said that. Einstein never believed in the christian or jewish god that personally cares what someone eats or what they do with their genitals. A Shame that a christian finds he must make false claims as an appeal to authority.
Real Einstein quotes:
“I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)
“I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.
(Albert Einstein, responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding “Do you believe in God?” Quoted from Victor J. Stenger, Has Science Found God? 2001, chapter 3.)
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954, The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)”
“The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)”
The foundation of morality should not be made dependent on myth nor tied to any authority lest doubt about the myth or about the legitimacy of the authority imperil the foundation of sound judgment and action. (Albert Einstein)
I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it. (Albert Einstein, The Human Side)
I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being. (Albert Einstein)
What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of “humility.” This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism. (Albert Einstein)
The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning. (Albert Einstein)
It is also interesting to know that either myself, or God, lives rent free in your frontal lobes.
nice to see a Christian have no problem with lying.
Alas, dear, it does require me thinking about you and your imaginary god when pointing out your lies and its impotence. I love when Christians think that this “rent-free” nonsense is impressive.
considering that you reply to me, shall we consider me living rent-free in your brain too? Oh noes! 😀
“5 But if our injustice serves to confirm the justice of God, what should we say? That God is unjust to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.) 6 By no means! For then how could God judge the world? 7 But if through my falsehood God’s truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? 8 And why not say (as some people slander us by saying that we say), “Let us do evil so that good may come”? Their condemnation is deserved!”
I will not waste my time discussing anything you have to post with respect to scripture, as you do not believe in God, therefore, you do not believe in the Bible since it was inspired by the Spirit of God.
“I will not waste my time discussing anything you have to post with respect to scripture, as you do not believe in God, therefore, you do not believe in the Bible since it was inspired by the Spirit of God”
aka Murf has nothing and now runs away. For all of the claims that the bible was “inspired” by this god, funny how Christians don’t agree on what it says, despite you all claiming that the spirit of god is what you follow.
You still lied and Einstein never said what you claim.
I never said that he believed in the God of the Bible. Many of his references to God, were placating to those of his new home in America. He foresaw the evil of Hitler, before others did. But he did believe there was something. He hated when the atheists would quote hims saying that he backed their claim. He was a determinist of deistic under tones. He did say, “When I am judging a theory, I ask myself whether, ‘if I were God, would I have arranged the world in such a way.’” He also believed that a spirit was manifest in the laws of the universe. He believed in a designer.
Einstein never said that. I am enjoying a Christian lying.
He did not say this either “When I am judging a theory, I ask myself whether, ‘if I were God, would I have arranged the world in such a way.’””
Now, what he seems to have actually said is this “What I am really interested in is knowing whether God could have created the world in a different way; in other words, whether the requirement of logical simplicity admits a margin of freedom”
He did not believe in a designer nor in a “spirit”.
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
“The God Spinoza revered is my God, too: I meet Him everyday in the harmonious laws which govern the universe. My religion is cosmic, and my God is too universal to concern himself with the intentions of every human being. I do not accept a religion of fear; My God will not hold me responsible for the actions that necessity imposes. My God speaks to me through laws.”
No designer, no spirit, just laws.
the term “God” is solely that of Christianity and perhaps Judaism. For you to try to lie and claim you “never said he believed in the God of the bible” is just one more incompetent attempt at a lie.
Aren’t you the ones who keep pushing the ideology that truth is relative? Seems out of the norm for you to say I lie, yet have no external standard. Lie implies an objective truth and morals exists, truth implies a moral lawgiver exists; which one could infer that God exists. While Einstein did not believe in the God of the Bible, he did believe in the God espoused by Spinoza existed, which was deistic in nature. You are a rather complicated twit to say the very least…but a twit, none-the -less.
Nope, I haven’t said that truth is relative. But do lie some more, Murf. Morals are subjective and change. They aren’t a truth.
I don’t need an external god or an objective truth to know when someone is lying. Truth doesn’t need a god e.g. “moral lawgiver” at all. You have to presuppose it does so your god has a job.
Facts work just fine without one. And that Christians can’t agree on what morals and laws this god wants, you have no objective morality at all. All you have is Murf’s pretending that some god agrees with him and only him. Quite childish.
It’s grand to see you still trying to excuse your lies about Einstein, in your attempt to appeal to authority to validate your religious nonsense. Spinoza’s not your god, Murf, and you have repeatedly posted Christian memes. In context, your lie is quite starkly evident.
OMG, the first two sentences cancel each other out! So when is it ok to torture babies? Please enlighten me. I would think that is an unchangeable moral truth, and if morals are not truth and are subjective…you’re killing me🤣 hope you have no kids! I would hate to see that evolutionary process of family. Morals and truth are effectually inseparable.
wow, Murf, nice try to create strawmen to attack. No, the first two sentences don’t cancel each other out. “Nope, I haven’t said that truth is relative. But do lie some more, Murf. Morals are subjective and change. They aren’t a truth.”
But do show how they do, since that is your claim.
now, when is it okay to torture babies? You’ll have to ask your god since it does this by supposedly drowning them, demanding that they be dashed on rocks, etc.
I have far better morals than you or your god, Murf. I’m not stuck with primitive viciousness.
Morals and truth are not inseparable. We can see that just from Christians who disagree on what morals their god wants and cannot show that their version is the “true” one.
Now, Murf, it seems you have no problem with your god doing things you’d be horrified if a human did. Is this correct?
Without Truth, Morals are subjective. If morals do change, then how can they be considered moral? There would be no standard for anything. Without such a standard, especially if it could change on a whim, would therefore take away the distinction between right and wrong. In fact, there would be no right or wrong. Sadly, in our society many hold morality to be subjective. While people do change, morals do not. Something is either morally right or it is morally wrong. IF morals are subjective then at some point in time the torturing of children will be deemed to be ‘moral,’ abortions will be ‘morally’ feasible, if not flexible, up to the age of majority. No strawman, it was a reasonable question. Ponder that for a moment, not that I think you will.
The Old Testament was a historical book, which discussed what had happened (both good and bad.) It was also a record of judgment and showed how much God hates sin. You can twist everything the way you choose, that is your prerogative. But both Truth and Morality have a standard. You say you have far better morals than me or my God, well I do not compare myself to others so I wouldn’t say such. But you assume that you know everything from beginning to the end and so you are not more moral than God. Since God has made this world and all that is within it…it is His and He can do what He pleases with all that is in this universe…it belongs to Him. He made the rules and man chooses not to follow them. Which essentially answers your last question. What man does to his fellow man, or his brothers, is shameful.
How a man lives out his life in comparison to the Bible does not justify condemnation of God. It is only a condemnation on man and his inability to either follow God’s moral law or his inability to be perfect. Man who claims to be Christian will be judged by God. Quite simple as that. Salvation will not prevent one from answering for his sins. God cannot be judged based upon how man acts, that would be like me judging you based upon how someone else acted.
If you paid attention, I said, “Aren’t you the ones who keep pushing the ideology that truth is relative?” ‘You, the ones,’ referring to atheists, generally speaking, not you personally. It is a definite ideology pushed by liberals. Evolutionists could push such, if they could trust their own mind and thoughts, as they were haphazardly developed over millions of years.
As the old adage goes, “An atheist cannot find God, just like a thief cannot find a cop!” Most people chose Atheism over theism or Christianity because their life style would have to change…and we can’t have that!
This will be my last post on this matter. You have been rude & obnoxious on both blog posts and have no sense of logic. You must be a trip with your friends and family at gatherings. Again you can say I am running away, or call me a “wannabe pastor”; yet, all you have done is make a plethora of assertions without any actual proof. Nor have you proven me to be a liar, which came from this post.
God loves all of His creations, He just doesn’t like what we do. He wants us to be with Him in the end…but that is the choice for each and every one of us to make. Salvation is a gift, but that offer must be accepted by the one it has been offered to! Godspeed to you, have a good life!
“This will be my last post on this, you can say I am running away all you want…if that makes you feel better. I cannot see wasting my breath or my words on someone such as you. If you were a Christian, as you have implied, then you will have plenty to answer for…just like the rest of us! You have been an obnoxious twit the entire discussion. And you still have proven nothing! Have a nice life.”
Really? Your last post, Murf? LOL
Morals and truth are separate things. Morals change with civilization. Truth does not.
We can see that change of morality within Christianity itself, with its subjective morality constantly changing, and Christians having to make up why its god evidently lied or mumbled before.
Each society has a standard, and yep, they are subjective. Some standards are more beneficial than others so they end up taking over. Yep, standards can change on a whim, just like we’ve seen with Christianity.
Since you have no problem with your god torturing children, then your morality is subjective if you find it bad if humans do the same thing. And nope, there is no necessity for some time to come where torturing children would be considered good or abortions being available “up to the age of majority”. That is just a bit of bullshit called the slippery slope fallacy.
It’s always wonderful to see a Christian whine when I point out that their god tortured children.
The OT is not a book of history; it is a historical book in it reveals what silliness people believed. None of the essential events in it can be shown to have ever happened. Not even when your god tortures children by drowning them. It does show a character, God, to be so upset that he is not being obeyed that he tortures children.
Truth needs to be supported with evidence. Morality is a culture’s agreement within it. Those are the standards. No god or Murf needed.
LOL, “I don’t compare myself to others”. Oh my Murf, so is the reason you don’t compare yourself to others that you think you are better or that you are too afraid of seeing how others are better than you?
I don’t have to know everything “from beginning to end” to be more moral than your god. Nice false dichotomy there. I just have to know that it isn’t right to kill people for not agreeing with me if their beliefs don’t harm me. What it seems you are arguing for is that if I did know everything, I could see that when this god tortures children, there will be a “good reason” for it. Sorry, if there is an omnipotent being and it can’t figure out how to NOT torture kids, it is a monster.
There you go, Murf, with the classic Christian excuse for their god’s monstrousness, that since it is the creator it can do anything it wants. So, that includes torture children since the bible says it does. Good to know. You have done a great job at showing that you have no more morality than might equals right. What a lovely sycophant you are! This god’s rules are shameful when it commands genocide and the torture and killing of children. Your god commands humans to do the worst they can to each other in the ridiculous bible for idiotic reasons. The death sentence for adultery. The death sentence for talking back to parents. The death sentence for working on the sabbath. And Jesus says that this is all good. We again get that bang up ending with this god/jesus killing everyone who doesn’t agree with it.
Since each Christian can’t agree on what the bible and its god wants is reason to point out that this religion is false. No Christian, including you, can show that they are following some god’s moral law and everyone else is not. People who claim to be Christians will be judged by their fellow humans who can point out that they are vicious assholes when they are. You try to claim that they can only be judged by this god but unsurprisingly, it does nothing.
You can indeed judge me on the basis of how someone else acts. That’s call the law here in the real world. If I am a vicious killer, I can be judged against someone who helps people.
I’ve yet to say that the truth is relative. I’ve said that morals are relative, and I know you have no truth, Murf. You try to pretend you do, but all you have is the opinion of a human being. You lie again when you try to claim that liberals claim that the truth is relative. About the only people who claim that the truth is relative are twits who believe in post-modern navel gazing. You again try to lie about evolutionary theory and try to claim it could be used to “push” that the truth is relative. But of course you can’t show how that would work without diving back into your social Darwinist cesspool.
In general, people can trust their own minds. We do have nifty things like science to help us get rid of bias. And here we have again where Murf tries to lie about how minds and thoughts have developed “haphazardly over millions of years” when that is not the case.
Poor dear, alas a thief can always find a cop and an atheist has come to the conclusion that there are no gods since there is no evidence. Your analogy fails again, being just a lie to try to compare atheists and criminals. You then try the good ol’ failed theist claim that the only reason that atheists don’t want to agree with the theist is that they are “rebels” against some god and its morals. Alas, nope, that isn’t the case. Your god can’t be shown to exist so there is no thing to rebel against. And again, my morals are far better than a god who finds it must torture children, commit genocide, and support slavery. I have no desire or need for any of those things.
Hmmm, yet one more attempt to leave in a flourish, picking up your skirts as some offended southern belle. Considering how I’ve shown you using false quotes, I think I’ve shown you to be a liar with no problem.
Your god is merely you. You don’t like what people do, especially find you unimportant. You ignore your bible when it says something you don’t like, e.g. that this god interferes constantly and this destroys the free will you cling to, as if it makes you superior to have chosen the “right” religion.
it’s almost as fun as watching Christians trying to claim that the cross isn’t their symbol when they lie about veterans cemetaries.
It’s a shame that a person, such as yourself, find themselves debating and anguishing over some higher power they do not believe to exist. Truly a waste of life to battle for the non-existence of something.😏
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